"and" or "uh"

[TxStrat]

If I see a barred 8th note in a blues tune that uses metric modulation/shuffle feel, how do I know if the 2nd part of it lands on the "and" or the "uh" when counting it out? Most of the time I'm finding it's the "uh" but sometimes it's the "and" and I'm having a hard time finding out the difference.

 

[dvs]

Should be on the "uh" by default - if not, it should be written explicitly as an eighth-note triplet with two (triplet) eighth notes and an eighth rest.

Do you have an example where the 2nd note is played on the "and"?

 

[Paleo]

If you're listening to someone else doing the counting.....

Some will count (1 and ) uh.

Some don't say the "and" but leave "space" before the "uh". Just 1......uh.

Sometimes they'll actually say 1 and, with the "and" where the "uh" goes, as if the "and" from straight was "delayed" from halfway to 2/3 of the way.

This may be the confusion.

You'll hear Griff use each way at different times.

It's just preference.

1...and...uh
(1 and)..uh
1............uh
1............and

 

[TxStrat]

Thanks guys, that answered my question. I went back and rewatched and listened and I misheard the first time through. I haven’t seen the eighth note triplet with the rest yet but I’ll know now what it means.

 

[Paleo]

Well I went and put my Griff hat on and did a quick little video to show what I was talking about.

But it wasn't quick enough.

In the meantime you have already replied.

I'll post it anyway.

It may be useful to others. This comes up quite often.

At about 0:40, without realizing it, I cut the notes short (even though I just said I'm holding the first note ), which would be notated with an 8th rest between the 2 notes.


https://dl.dropbox.com/s/ax8xz4x0gnbmq2k/shuffle.m4v?dl=0

 

[TxStrat]

Thanks Paleo, that was really helpful and also really useful for practicing the different ways of counting since they’ll all come. I really appreciate you taking the time to make the video.

 

[sdbrit68]

I use the pthagorean theroem.................or newtons 7th law "If it involves complex theory, I play something else"

 

[david moon]

In some of Griff's earlier videos, he played the third triplet as a delayed "and", in later videos he counted 1 and uh 2 and uh